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January 8 Meeting Reminder

Dan - NTREG Advisor
 

 

 

For many years, January has been NTREG's "Field Trip" month.  This month was no exception.  Weeks ago, a site was selected, necessary arrangements were made, and we received formal approval from our prospective host.  Then .. covid intervened.  Two days ago, Dallas County health regulations forced a cancellation of our field trip.

 

Thanks to quick action by our Board of Directors, and Rosa Orenstein (NTREG Chair) in particular, a highly qualified presenter was contacted, and he immediately agreed to help us this Saturday.  NTREG would like to thank Doug Lewin for stepping in on incredibly short notice.

 

Who is Doug Lewin?  Among other things, Doug worked at the Texas Legislature for five years as a legislative aide, primarily on energy, environment, and climate issues for three different elected officials in the House and Senate.  And that's just the beginning!

 

Doug offered to discuss a variety of renewable energy related topics.  With his background in the legislature, he can provide insight into how we as citizens can help promote solar-favorable laws and protections ... and that's for openers.  Doug is crafting his presentation now.  We'll post more information when we receive it from Doug.  In the meantime, his impressive credentials are below.

 

Date: Saturday, January 8, 2022
Time: 10:00 am - 12:00 noon
Location: ON LINE. Click HERE to join our January 8 meeting
Direct Address: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/89683656601?pwd=K2kvYituMjdNTXhhcXk4UXFjZ1d1QT09
 
Meeting ID: 896 8365 6601     Passcode: 059982
 
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Presentation: To Be Announced  (see above)
Presenter: Doug Lewin, President, Stoic Energy, LLC.
 
About Our Presentation:
To Be Announced (see above)
 
About Our Presenter:
Doug Lewin founded Stoic Energy in 2018. Previously, Doug led government and regulatory affairs work for CLEAResult, an energy efficiency program implementer for over 250 utilities in 40 states and provinces. Prior to joining CLEAResult, Lewin was the founding Executive Director of the South-central Partnership for Energy Efficiency as a Resource (SPEER).  SPEER was recognized by the US Department of Energy as the regional energy efficiency organization for Texas and Oklahoma, working with a network of similar organizations throughout America to advance energy efficiency.
 
He worked at the Texas Legislature for five years as a legislative aide, primarily on energy, environment, and climate issues for three different elected officials in the House and Senate. There, he established a successful bipartisan energy policy working group which deepened the knowledge base of a wide group of Capitol staffers and members by bringing in guest speakers from industry and academia.
 
Doug is a nationally recognized energy expert, phttps://www.ntreg.org/articularly in the electric grid, renewable energy, energy efficiency, demand response, utility regulation, and pollution reduction. He has been featured in newspaper articles and TV/radio segments throughout Texas and nationally, including the Austin American Statesman, the Dallas Morning News, the Fort Worth Star Telegram, Houston Chronicle, Texas Monthly, the Texas Observer, Texas Public Radio, the Texas Tribune, the New York Times, and more. Lewin earned his Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees from the University of Texas at Austin and is a proud husband and father of four children.

 

NTREG meetings are free and open to the public.

See our website for more details about our January 8 meeting and to become an NTREG member:  https://www.ntreg.org/
Re: We the people

GLEN D Suhren
 

Thanks Larry I have sent this out to CCL and other groups

 

Glen

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Larry via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@NTREG.groups.io
Subject: [NTREG] We the people

 

For 2022, please consider watching to the end to learn about we the people. https://www.pbs.org/video/earth-emergency-6njifx/

 
Looking for solar PV installer recommendations

Donovan Smith
 

We have recently had some trees die out, which has led to more sun exposure on our south facing roof. Consequently, I've renewed my interest in roof mounted solar PV. If you have had good experience to share about a solar installer for DFW area, please contact me.
Dallas Environmental Commission Links Including First Meeting Video

James Orenstein
 

The Dallas Environmental Commission was created by City Ordinance to “advise on the CECAP implementation and environmental issues which arise in the city”, per ordinance 31847:
https://www.dallasclimateaction.com/_files/ugd/349b65_1655a0c4d014422aa6c22fd328e61bfa.pdf

Note: CECAP = Comprehensive Environmental & Climate Action Plan

Members & contact information can be found at:
https://www.dallasclimateaction.com/environmentalcommission

Note that Districts 3, 10, & 12 have open positions.

Congratulations to NTREG members Tracy Wallace (District 5 appointee) & Michael Martin (Technical panel for Energy).

Video from the initial meeting held Fri. 12/17/21 can be found under Environment & Sustainability Committee videos (probably best place to put it for now):
https://dallastx.swagit.com/play/12222021-874
Re: 25 Years of Passive/Active Solar

Mark Witte
 

Paul,

Not only were you an early adopter / trendsetter for distributed energy generation and highly efficient construction, you've done an outstanding job of carefully documenting the impacts of those efforts.

Thank you,

Mark 

On Sunday, January 2, 2022, 09:49:36 AM CST, Paul Westbrook <pwestbrook@...> wrote:


We completed year 25 in our passive/active solar home. For 2021 we had $0 energy bills (only the base fee). The house is performing better than the rigorous Passive House standards (our use: 6.6 kBtu/sf/yr of need, and we supply 5.6 of that with solar power). I compiled this annual report: https://enerjazz.com/.../Westbrook_House_Utility_Use.pdf. Details are on our web page (https://enerjazz.com/house).

Paul
Re: 25 Years of Passive/Active Solar

Larry
 

Outstanding! Thanks for sharing!
Re: 25 Years of Passive/Active Solar

Dharma Dharmarajan
 

Way to go Paul. Congratulations. Dharma.

On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 9:49 AM Paul Westbrook <pwestbrook@...> wrote:

We completed year 25 in our passive/active solar home. For 2021 we had $0 energy bills (only the base fee). The house is performing better than the rigorous Passive House standards (our use: 6.6 kBtu/sf/yr of need, and we supply 5.6 of that with solar power). I compiled this annual report: https://enerjazz.com/.../Westbrook_House_Utility_Use.pdf. Details are on our web page (https://enerjazz.com/house).

Paul
25 Years of Passive/Active Solar

Paul Westbrook
 

We completed year 25 in our passive/active solar home. For 2021 we had $0 energy bills (only the base fee). The house is performing better than the rigorous Passive House standards (our use: 6.6 kBtu/sf/yr of need, and we supply 5.6 of that with solar power). I compiled this annual report: https://enerjazz.com/.../Westbrook_House_Utility_Use.pdf. Details are on our web page (https://enerjazz.com/house).

Paul
We the people

Larry
 

For 2022, please consider watching to the end to learn about we the people. https://www.pbs.org/video/earth-emergency-6njifx/
Dallas City Council ENVS (Environment & Sustainability) Committee meeting 9:00 am Mon 1/3/22

James Orenstein
 

The Dallas City Council ENVS (Environment & Sustainability) Committee meeting scheduled for 9:00 am next Mon. 1/3/22 has several items that may be of interest. For details see the agenda with links to video broadcast & presentations included.
 
 
Recorded video will be available after:
 
Excerpt:
 
C. Fleet Conversion Plan Update. [Donzell Gibson, Director, Equipment and Fleet Management Department and Ken Kelly, Chief Engineer, Commercial Vehicle Electrification Center for Integrated Mobility Sciences National Renewable Energy Laboratory]
 
Attachments: Presentation
 
D. Environment Commission Update. [Kathryn Bazan, Vice-Chair, Environmental Commission]
 
E. BRIEFING MEMORANDUM: Leaf Blower Update Memo. [Susan Alvarez, Assistant Director, Environmental Quality & Sustainability]
 
Attachments: Memorandum
 
Re: Toyota EV Strategy

David Geise
 

According to this study by the State of Connecticut, hydrogen fuel cells produce no NOx: https://chfcc.org/resources/fuel-cell-environmental-impact/.  But a hydrogen fuel cell car will require more energy expenditure than a BEV.  If the grid is not 100% renewable, then the production of hydrogen will produce GHG emissions: https://thedriven.io/2018/11/15/hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-have-three-times-emissions-of-battery-evs-uq-study/.

Here's an interesting article on the GHG emissions produced by burning hydrogen in furnaces: https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/hydrogen-the-burning-question/.

David Geise

“Adults keep saying: ‘We owe it to the young people to give them hope.’ But I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel everyday. And then I want you to act as if your house is on fire. Because it is.”  
– Greta Thunberg

“Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works.” 
- Carl Sagan

“We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. “ 
- Thomas Edison

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little” - Franklin D. Roosevelt


On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 9:20 AM Robert Virkus <Contrarian0@...> wrote:
Also, what about hydrogen fuel cells? Do they also produce NOx compounds? Thanks.

On Thursday, December 30, 2021, Robert Virkus via groups.io <Contrarian0=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
What would be the energy cost of using nearly pure oxygen to burn the hydrogen thus avoiding the NOx production?

On Wednesday, December 29, 2021, Eric Pratt <ewpratt@...> wrote:

I agree with Philip T. that Toyota is just "splaining".  They probably want to keep a high profit product in the market as long as they can.

The author of the article and Akio Toyoda are completely wrong.  Combustion exhaust from all forms, including Internal Combustion, is a major problem for living things/brains (https://www.pnas.org/content/117/25/13856).

And burning hydrogen is not benign when Air is used.  It produces NOx compounds.  Those compounds are one reason DFW is a non-attainment area for EPA air quality standards.

We need to get rid of the idea of burning things as a way to get the energy we want.

Eric Pratt

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On 12/27/2021 4:54 PM, David Geise wrote:
Hydrogen is not competitive with BEV's for passenger cars (even Toyota agrees): https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/

David Geise

“Adults keep saying: ‘We owe it to the young people to give them hope.’ But I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel everyday. And then I want you to act as if your house is on fire. Because it is.”  
– Greta Thunberg

“Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works.” 
- Carl Sagan

“We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. “ 
- Thomas Edison

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little” - Franklin D. Roosevelt


On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:03 PM Philip Timmons via groups.io <philiptimmons=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is not so much "Strategy" as it is "splaining."   

Thing Toyota is missing is the Electric Roadway.   But so are most of the intentional EV makers. 

That is going to chop EV costs in half-again.  

Hydrogen costs as much as Gasoline.   

And Toyota only did the Prius for the Corporate Clean-Air attainment requirements -- so they could build the more profitable large land-beasts.    And then the Prius took off due the Bush-War era Oil going over $100 per barrel.  

And the China "fossil" nonsense misses China is LEADING the world in both building and installing Renewables.  



On Monday, December 27, 2021, 01:01:28 PM CST, Eric Johnson <vaxaugustifolium@...> wrote:


Both Japan and Great Britain are island nations, with relatively high population density, when compared to the USA.  Road trips by car tend to be shorter.  People are more accustomed to using trains for longer trips.  It's good to see that Japan in particular has reduced the carbon dioxide released from auto transportation in recent years.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 12:40 PM Skip Cave <skip@...> wrote:
Interesting view on EVs from Toyota:


Skip


Skip Cave
Cave Consulting LLC
Re: Toyota EV Strategy

Robert Virkus
 

Also, what about hydrogen fuel cells? Do they also produce NOx compounds? Thanks.


On Thursday, December 30, 2021, Robert Virkus via groups.io <Contrarian0=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
What would be the energy cost of using nearly pure oxygen to burn the hydrogen thus avoiding the NOx production?

On Wednesday, December 29, 2021, Eric Pratt <ewpratt@...> wrote:

I agree with Philip T. that Toyota is just "splaining".  They probably want to keep a high profit product in the market as long as they can.

The author of the article and Akio Toyoda are completely wrong.  Combustion exhaust from all forms, including Internal Combustion, is a major problem for living things/brains (https://www.pnas.org/content/117/25/13856).

And burning hydrogen is not benign when Air is used.  It produces NOx compounds.  Those compounds are one reason DFW is a non-attainment area for EPA air quality standards.

We need to get rid of the idea of burning things as a way to get the energy we want.

Eric Pratt

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On 12/27/2021 4:54 PM, David Geise wrote:
Hydrogen is not competitive with BEV's for passenger cars (even Toyota agrees): https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/

David Geise

“Adults keep saying: ‘We owe it to the young people to give them hope.’ But I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel everyday. And then I want you to act as if your house is on fire. Because it is.”  
– Greta Thunberg

“Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works.” 
- Carl Sagan

“We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. “ 
- Thomas Edison

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little” - Franklin D. Roosevelt


On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:03 PM Philip Timmons via groups.io <philiptimmons=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is not so much "Strategy" as it is "splaining."   

Thing Toyota is missing is the Electric Roadway.   But so are most of the intentional EV makers. 

That is going to chop EV costs in half-again.  

Hydrogen costs as much as Gasoline.   

And Toyota only did the Prius for the Corporate Clean-Air attainment requirements -- so they could build the more profitable large land-beasts.    And then the Prius took off due the Bush-War era Oil going over $100 per barrel.  

And the China "fossil" nonsense misses China is LEADING the world in both building and installing Renewables.  



On Monday, December 27, 2021, 01:01:28 PM CST, Eric Johnson <vaxaugustifolium@...> wrote:


Both Japan and Great Britain are island nations, with relatively high population density, when compared to the USA.  Road trips by car tend to be shorter.  People are more accustomed to using trains for longer trips.  It's good to see that Japan in particular has reduced the carbon dioxide released from auto transportation in recent years.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 12:40 PM Skip Cave <skip@...> wrote:
Interesting view on EVs from Toyota:


Skip


Skip Cave
Cave Consulting LLC
Re: Toyota EV Strategy

Robert Virkus
 

What would be the energy cost of using nearly pure oxygen to burn the hydrogen thus avoiding the NOx production?


On Wednesday, December 29, 2021, Eric Pratt <ewpratt@...> wrote:

I agree with Philip T. that Toyota is just "splaining".  They probably want to keep a high profit product in the market as long as they can.

The author of the article and Akio Toyoda are completely wrong.  Combustion exhaust from all forms, including Internal Combustion, is a major problem for living things/brains (https://www.pnas.org/content/117/25/13856).

And burning hydrogen is not benign when Air is used.  It produces NOx compounds.  Those compounds are one reason DFW is a non-attainment area for EPA air quality standards.

We need to get rid of the idea of burning things as a way to get the energy we want.

Eric Pratt

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 12/27/2021 4:54 PM, David Geise wrote:
Hydrogen is not competitive with BEV's for passenger cars (even Toyota agrees): https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/

David Geise

“Adults keep saying: ‘We owe it to the young people to give them hope.’ But I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel everyday. And then I want you to act as if your house is on fire. Because it is.”  
– Greta Thunberg

“Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works.” 
- Carl Sagan

“We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. “ 
- Thomas Edison

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little” - Franklin D. Roosevelt


On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:03 PM Philip Timmons via groups.io <philiptimmons=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is not so much "Strategy" as it is "splaining."   

Thing Toyota is missing is the Electric Roadway.   But so are most of the intentional EV makers. 

That is going to chop EV costs in half-again.  

Hydrogen costs as much as Gasoline.   

And Toyota only did the Prius for the Corporate Clean-Air attainment requirements -- so they could build the more profitable large land-beasts.    And then the Prius took off due the Bush-War era Oil going over $100 per barrel.  

And the China "fossil" nonsense misses China is LEADING the world in both building and installing Renewables.  



On Monday, December 27, 2021, 01:01:28 PM CST, Eric Johnson <vaxaugustifolium@...> wrote:


Both Japan and Great Britain are island nations, with relatively high population density, when compared to the USA.  Road trips by car tend to be shorter.  People are more accustomed to using trains for longer trips.  It's good to see that Japan in particular has reduced the carbon dioxide released from auto transportation in recent years.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 12:40 PM Skip Cave <skip@...> wrote:
Interesting view on EVs from Toyota:


Skip


Skip Cave
Cave Consulting LLC
Re: Toyota EV Strategy

R. Michael Martin
 

We need to get rid of the idea of burning things as a way to get the energy we want  <<< YES

It’s really quite archaic considering it’s a 19th C solution.

On Dec 29, 2021, at 20:58, Eric Pratt via groups.io <ewpratt@...> wrote:

I agree with Philip T. that Toyota is just "splaining".  They probably want to keep a high profit product in the market as long as they can.

The author of the article and Akio Toyoda are completely wrong.  Combustion exhaust from all forms, including Internal Combustion, is a major problem for living things/brains (https://www.pnas.org/content/117/25/13856).

And burning hydrogen is not benign when Air is used.  It produces NOx compounds.  Those compounds are one reason DFW is a non-attainment area for EPA air quality standards.

We need to get rid of the idea of burning things as a way to get the energy we want.

Eric Pratt

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 12/27/2021 4:54 PM, David Geise wrote:
Hydrogen is not competitive with BEV's for passenger cars (even Toyota agrees): https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/

David Geise

“Adults keep saying: ‘We owe it to the young people to give them hope.’ But I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel everyday. And then I want you to act as if your house is on fire. Because it is.”  
– Greta Thunberg

“Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works.” 
- Carl Sagan

“We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. “ 
- Thomas Edison

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little” - Franklin D. Roosevelt


On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:03 PM Philip Timmons via groups.io <philiptimmons=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is not so much "Strategy" as it is "splaining."   

Thing Toyota is missing is the Electric Roadway.   But so are most of the intentional EV makers. 

That is going to chop EV costs in half-again.  

Hydrogen costs as much as Gasoline.   

And Toyota only did the Prius for the Corporate Clean-Air attainment requirements -- so they could build the more profitable large land-beasts.    And then the Prius took off due the Bush-War era Oil going over $100 per barrel.  

And the China "fossil" nonsense misses China is LEADING the world in both building and installing Renewables.  



On Monday, December 27, 2021, 01:01:28 PM CST, Eric Johnson <vaxaugustifolium@...> wrote:


Both Japan and Great Britain are island nations, with relatively high population density, when compared to the USA.  Road trips by car tend to be shorter.  People are more accustomed to using trains for longer trips.  It's good to see that Japan in particular has reduced the carbon dioxide released from auto transportation in recent years.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 12:40 PM Skip Cave <skip@...> wrote:
Interesting view on EVs from Toyota:


Skip


Skip Cave
Cave Consulting LLC
Re: Toyota EV Strategy

Eric Pratt
 

I agree with Philip T. that Toyota is just "splaining".  They probably want to keep a high profit product in the market as long as they can.

The author of the article and Akio Toyoda are completely wrong.  Combustion exhaust from all forms, including Internal Combustion, is a major problem for living things/brains (https://www.pnas.org/content/117/25/13856).

And burning hydrogen is not benign when Air is used.  It produces NOx compounds.  Those compounds are one reason DFW is a non-attainment area for EPA air quality standards.

We need to get rid of the idea of burning things as a way to get the energy we want.

Eric Pratt

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 12/27/2021 4:54 PM, David Geise wrote:
Hydrogen is not competitive with BEV's for passenger cars (even Toyota agrees): https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/

David Geise

“Adults keep saying: ‘We owe it to the young people to give them hope.’ But I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel everyday. And then I want you to act as if your house is on fire. Because it is.”  
– Greta Thunberg

“Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works.” 
- Carl Sagan

“We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. “ 
- Thomas Edison

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little” - Franklin D. Roosevelt


On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:03 PM Philip Timmons via groups.io <philiptimmons=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is not so much "Strategy" as it is "splaining."   

Thing Toyota is missing is the Electric Roadway.   But so are most of the intentional EV makers. 

That is going to chop EV costs in half-again.  

Hydrogen costs as much as Gasoline.   

And Toyota only did the Prius for the Corporate Clean-Air attainment requirements -- so they could build the more profitable large land-beasts.    And then the Prius took off due the Bush-War era Oil going over $100 per barrel.  

And the China "fossil" nonsense misses China is LEADING the world in both building and installing Renewables.  



On Monday, December 27, 2021, 01:01:28 PM CST, Eric Johnson <vaxaugustifolium@...> wrote:


Both Japan and Great Britain are island nations, with relatively high population density, when compared to the USA.  Road trips by car tend to be shorter.  People are more accustomed to using trains for longer trips.  It's good to see that Japan in particular has reduced the carbon dioxide released from auto transportation in recent years.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 12:40 PM Skip Cave <skip@...> wrote:
Interesting view on EVs from Toyota:


Skip


Skip Cave
Cave Consulting LLC
Bi-Facial Panels -- experience, experiments, thoughts?

Philip Timmons
 

Anyone on here tried Bi-Facial panels?  

On maybe ground-mount arrays, or Agriculture shading?   

Maybe with reflectors (mirror or white) to boost the bottom side?

Thanks,

Phil.   
Re: Toyota EV Strategy

David Geise
 

Hydrogen is not competitive with BEV's for passenger cars (even Toyota agrees): https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/

David Geise

“Adults keep saying: ‘We owe it to the young people to give them hope.’ But I don’t want your hope. I don’t want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel everyday. And then I want you to act as if your house is on fire. Because it is.”  
– Greta Thunberg

“Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works.” 
- Carl Sagan

“We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. “ 
- Thomas Edison

“The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little” - Franklin D. Roosevelt


On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 2:03 PM Philip Timmons via groups.io <philiptimmons=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
This is not so much "Strategy" as it is "splaining."   

Thing Toyota is missing is the Electric Roadway.   But so are most of the intentional EV makers. 

That is going to chop EV costs in half-again.  

Hydrogen costs as much as Gasoline.   

And Toyota only did the Prius for the Corporate Clean-Air attainment requirements -- so they could build the more profitable large land-beasts.    And then the Prius took off due the Bush-War era Oil going over $100 per barrel.  

And the China "fossil" nonsense misses China is LEADING the world in both building and installing Renewables.  



On Monday, December 27, 2021, 01:01:28 PM CST, Eric Johnson <vaxaugustifolium@...> wrote:


Both Japan and Great Britain are island nations, with relatively high population density, when compared to the USA.  Road trips by car tend to be shorter.  People are more accustomed to using trains for longer trips.  It's good to see that Japan in particular has reduced the carbon dioxide released from auto transportation in recent years.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 12:40 PM Skip Cave <skip@...> wrote:
Re: Toyota EV Strategy

Philip Timmons
 

This is not so much "Strategy" as it is "splaining."   

Thing Toyota is missing is the Electric Roadway.   But so are most of the intentional EV makers. 

That is going to chop EV costs in half-again.  

Hydrogen costs as much as Gasoline.   

And Toyota only did the Prius for the Corporate Clean-Air attainment requirements -- so they could build the more profitable large land-beasts.    And then the Prius took off due the Bush-War era Oil going over $100 per barrel.  

And the China "fossil" nonsense misses China is LEADING the world in both building and installing Renewables.  



On Monday, December 27, 2021, 01:01:28 PM CST, Eric Johnson <vaxaugustifolium@...> wrote:


Both Japan and Great Britain are island nations, with relatively high population density, when compared to the USA.  Road trips by car tend to be shorter.  People are more accustomed to using trains for longer trips.  It's good to see that Japan in particular has reduced the carbon dioxide released from auto transportation in recent years.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 12:40 PM Skip Cave <skip@...> wrote:
Re: Toyota EV Strategy

Eric Johnson
 

Both Japan and Great Britain are island nations, with relatively high population density, when compared to the USA.  Road trips by car tend to be shorter.  People are more accustomed to using trains for longer trips.  It's good to see that Japan in particular has reduced the carbon dioxide released from auto transportation in recent years.

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 12:40 PM Skip Cave <skip@...> wrote:
Toyota EV Strategy

Skip Cave
 

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