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A+ The cardboard between the panels cost more.
So . . . we know it is: NOT "Slave Labor" v. US based robotics cost.
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 12:49:23 PM CST, Joachim Saupe via groups.io <jsaupe@...> wrote:
OMG, that would have added Euro 12.00 to my 11kW system ~ $ 15.00
"The most difficult thing is the decision to act; the rest is merely tenacity"
Amelia Earhart, aviation pioneer, writer, first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic Ocean
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 11:25:29 AM CST, Philip Timmons via groups.io <philiptimmons@...> wrote:
Sort of funny -- someone that exact math here >>>
Copied in full here >>>
Bottom Line here >>>
5 CONCLUSIONS In this work, the analysis of the several waste lines in the solar cells manufacturing processes has been performed. Also the implementation of the different lines to perform the waste treatment, prices and resulting products have been analysed. Despite the NOx gas line, the use of two liquid waste treatment streams for HF, H2SiF6, HNO3 and NH3 and a gas waste stream containing NH3 and SiH4 is cost effective when the subproducts resulting from the treatments are sold in the industry.
If a 5 years amortization of the waste treatment equipment is considered, an increment of the solar cell price of 0.0011 €/watt is obtained.
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 11:02:10 AM CST, Eric Johnson <vaxaugustifolium@...> wrote:
Manufacturing pure silicon, to be used in making photovoltaic cells, involves generating hazardous waste, which is regulated by the EPA and also by state and local laws, here in the USA. The waste stream has to be controlled, and the most hazardous materials are captured, concentrated, and stored in a licensed landfill, unless they can be somehow recycled and re-used. All of this adds expense to the manufacturing process. To my knowledge, these measures are not required or enforced in China, so they have a competitive edge in the world market.
Yep. And Texas has "FREE" overnight Electricity. Every night. And whole weekends.
Even gets Negative Value at times.
So we know the Cost of Electrical Energy to do this is not the issue.
And the more Silicon Solar PV this would build out -- the Cheaper the Daytime would get as well.
So. Big Demand. Local Production and US Sales. Low Input Energy Costs.
Who would not want US to do this, and why?
On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:37:01 AM CST, Jim Duncan <solarguy2004@...
So once you have the purified raw silicon from the CVD process
it's crushed into meltable chunks and sent to the ingot growing
dept where they are melted again and turned into finished ingots
4-5meters long and to the finish diameter about 150mm ready to be
sawed into individual cells.
Solar Acres Farm
On 2/8/2022 9:57 AM, Jim Duncan via
The manufacturing of PV grade silicon [99.9999%] from raw
materials is just one of the most costly part of the entire
manufacturing process. The attached picture of a [chemical
vapor deposition ] CVD reactor is one common
method of purifying the Si though only the first step in the
cell making process and very energy intensive.
Solar Acres Farm
On 2/6/2022 12:02 AM, Philip Timmons
. . . . and even IF you
were doing Full Fabrication in the US -- the labor component
would a VERY minor cost. Silicon Solar PV is among the
easiest of process manufacturing, and comparing the Cost of
Robotics based in the US is cheaper than even Slave Labor in
China once you take out the transport costs.
Not necessarily. Here in the USA a
lot of times the price is being determined by
what the market will bear. I call that "Vulture
I also take issue with the
statement that US labor cost is not being
Take for instance labor in Germany:
German goods are in demand. Steel
products being just one example. The USA imports
a lot of steel from Germany.
With Steel workers making at least
as good (if not better) wages than here in the
USA. On top of the wages, the workers have as a
start 4 weeks of
paid vacation. That vacation time
increases by age to over 6 weeks per year, There
is no max sick leave time. If a worker is sick,
He gets paid
by the company. When a certain
threshold is exceeded (I think 4 weeks at a
stretch), the health insurance (that every
worker has no matter where he works)
kicks in. There are also many other
paid leave programs. One example is the parental
leave that can be split between the mother and
father of a newborn,
covering several months for each
All of this makes labor very costly
in Germany compared to the USA so cost of labor
here in the USA cannot be the issue.
most difficult thing is the decision to
act; the rest is merely tenacity"
Earhart, aviation pioneer, writer, first
woman to fly solo across the Atlantic Ocean
On Saturday, February 5, 2022, 07:38:17 PM
CST, Mellen West <mellenmail@...>
price of anything is related to the cost
of labor to make it. USA labor is not
cometetive on the global market. That’s
why your shoes are not made in New
England and car parts are made in
Mexico. Look at the Fast,, Good, Cheap
thought this was intended to encourage
domestic manufacturing so China does not
control the whole market.
On Saturday, February 5, 2022, Philip
Timmons via groups.io
Well, we have the
No need to wait until
the 22 Feb 2022 expiration
of the Trump Anti-Solar PV
(which could have been
canceled ANY time for the
Entire Last Year.
Biden renewed the
Anti-Solar PV Punitive
Tariffs for another 4
YEARS(!) -- while leaving
the UTILITY Scale Bi-Facial
So "little people"
Arrays COST MORE, Utility